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Friday, January 27, 2006

Some wisdom from E. C. Dargan

In a recent post, I referenced my time spent reading old works on Baptist ecclesiology. I'm still trudging through Dargan's massive work. In light of the recent (and sometimes heated) discussion on changes in IMB baptism guidelines, I ran across a quote that I think is appropriate.

After surveying the duty of Baptists to defend their beliefs on baptism against pedobaptists, anti-immersionists, and baptismal regenerationists, Dargan locates a fourth category of interlocutors: those who disagree on the issues of 'sucessionism' and 'alien immersion'. Of course, he is referring to Landmarkers (at least that's the plain reading to me). The quote is a bit long, but worthy of reading.

Among themselves [Baptists] to find some way of mutual peace and love in regard to the questions of 'succession,' 'alien immersion,' and the like. So far as appears there is little prospect of any speedy and final settlement of these points of controversy among us. We are now, and for some time are likely to be, face to face with the question: Shall we agree to differ on these two points, live together in peace, or divide the denomination upon them? The wisdom of the past may be our light. Our fathers differed widely and earnestly. They argued logically and strongly, but they held the great denomination together and loved each other, though they could not see eye to eye upon these two particular points. Let this be the attitude of their children, and holding as firmly as we do to the sound scriptural positions as to the mode and subjects of baptism, let us in the spirit of love and fairness oppose those who maintain any other; and on the unsettled questions in our own ranks maintain the spirit of mutual toleration and respect. (Dargan, Ecclesiology, 217)

Dargan's point, I think, is that there are some things regarding baptism worth fighting for (for the regenerate, by immersion, as symbolic). On issues of baptismal (or church) succession and (the rejection of?) alien immersion, let us act with love and civility, remembering always that this is nothing to be rigid about, or to divide over.

posted by Jason Sampler at 11:00 PM


Blogger Rick Thompson said...

This is a great quote. Where did you find his book by the way?

8:25 PM, January 28, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Jason,

My name is Ralph Wilsm and from the Netherlands, iam just like you a baptist, and iam a lover of the reformed fith and puritans!!!

Through surfuing on googlr, i saw that you have been studying the book: E.C Dargan - Ecclesiology (A study of the churches).

Let me know your thoughts about it ? I know that the publisher: Baptist bearer standard is reprinting this work again.

I have a question maybe you can help me, i saw liek two edition:
Louisville (1905) 704 pages & C.T. Dearing (1897) 585 pages.

Now the last edition has 119 pages more, which is alot. Do you if the first edition (585 pag.) has only a smaller a size of lettertype and that it is still the same, or has the last edition (704 pag.)more chapters or other things which are not in the first edition ?

Maybe you can help me with that.

I hope to hear from you. Please mail me back at my personal adress: ralphwilms@yahoo.com

Kind regards from overseas!!!

Ralph (The Netherlands)

9:06 AM, January 21, 2008  

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